Amy Elizabeth Fox

Amy Elizabeth Fox: Bringing Love Into the Rooms Where Business Gets Done

56:41 min

June 2, 2026

Amy Elizabeth Fox: Bringing Love Into the Rooms Where Business Gets Done
with Amy Elizabeth Fox
Katherine Dudtschak sits down with Amy Elizabeth Fox, co-founder and CEO of Mobius Executive Leadership, a global transformational leadership firm she has led for 20 years. Amy has spent her career at the precise intersection of corporate rigour and deep human healing: working with Fortune 500 companies and professional services firms while drawing on psychology, somatics, trauma-informed practice, and spiritual wisdom to help senior leaders become more whole. She is also the co-author of the 2026 book Leading in Chaos, written with Nicholas Janni. Before any of that, Amy survived non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma in her twenties, lived through childhood trauma, spent two years in silence near a lake after leaving the Cathedral Church of St. John the Divine in New York, and had a heart cracked open by a kirtan circle she almost walked out of. This conversation moves through all of it: the formation, the collapse, the rebuilding, and the 20 years of bringing love into organisations that weren’t sure they wanted it. Amy also shares what she has observed across thousands of senior executive screenings: that collective trauma is not the exception in leadership. It is almost universal. And that the most important work any organisation can do begins not with strategy, but with the people carrying the weight of the past into every room they lead.

"In the journey to consciousness and to service and to self-love, there's a cathedral that arrives."

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About the Guest

Brief bio: Co-founder and CEO of Mobius Executive Leadership, a global transformational leadership firm, and co-author of Leading in Chaos.

Amy Elizabeth Fox co-founded Mobius Executive Leadership in 2005 with her sister Erica Ariel Fox. Before Mobius she worked at the Cathedral Church of St. John the Divine, supporting Paul Gorman, Carl Sagan, and Vice President Gore in engaging American faith communities on environmental issues. She trained with Ram Dass, studied with mystical teacher Thomas Huebl, and spent two years in solitude before returning to build what became one of the world’s foremost transformational leadership firms. She also serves on the faculty of the African Leadership Institute’s Desmond Tutu Fellows programme at Oxford. In 2026 she co-authored Leading in Chaos with Nicholas Janni.
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Timestamps

35:00 — Amy universalises trauma: “a universal pandemic”
44:00 — The kirtan night with Ram Dass; her heart breaks open
47:11 — The teacher on the nightstand (Michael Singer, four months in bed)
53:42 — On cycles: “there’s always light in the dark and dark in the light”
56:03 — “Activism as activism has hit the wall”; the restorative renaissance

Katherine's reflection on this conversation is available to members.

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